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Wanna buy: Decision time:1100S or 1200S Touring |
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ducducduc MTS: 2009 1100S (White)
Joined: 22 Oct 2012 Posts: 5 Location: montreal,canada
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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:06 pm |
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Big dilemna. Here's the players:
2009 1100S with seat, exhaust, factory pannier upgrades. 22,000m white, minty clean.
2010 1200S Touring with topcase, crash bars, termi. 9,000m black scuffed side case from a drop.
The 1100 is 10K the 1200 is 14K. (in Canada)
To me the 1100S is the ultimate Multi as I'm an air cooled guy but I can't argue that the 1200 is better on paper in every way.
I have concerns that as these bike get old (I'll be owner for 10+ years I'm sure. My other Duc is at 17 now) that the electro gizmos could be costly to maintain on the 1200 and could leave me stranded 1000 miles from home. The 1100S is a true antique by comparison and that may not be a bad thing. Water cooled certainly has the ZOOM going for it though.
Anyone care to throw in "considerations" or "what I'd do" to inspire me?
thanks! |
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coman MTS: 2013 1200S (Red)
Joined: 27 Sep 2007 Posts: 1956 Location: West Sussex, UK
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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:33 pm |
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You just have to test ride them.
The aircooled are full of character, but the watercooled are so much more up to date and integrated.
Either bike will thrill you.
As for electronic gizmos, the 1200 is three years old and counting, and I can't recall many/any posts detailing failures in the electronics.
Any machine will ultimately wear out and break down. The aircooled have bullet-proof engines but several niggley faults of ancillaries (mainly electrical faults). The build quality of the 1200s is superior.
Any history with the 1200 S? As it was the first year of the model there were a few recalls. If these were fixed, I'd go for the 1200. |
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2hlwf8 MTS: 2007 1100 (Red)
Joined: 25 Oct 2010 Posts: 507 Location: STL USA
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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:39 pm |
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Who's performing the maintenance? I hate antifreeze, so i'd never go for the 1200, unless i had the cash to pay for service, which i do not. So that's that. Simplicity, man. Coman is right though. The 1100 electrics can be seriously frustrating.
From the performance angle, i've read lots of opinions stating that it's damn hard to exceed the capability of the 1100, or even the 1k. I know i can't come close. Like the man said, test ride them both, go with your instinct, and do not second guess yourself.
There've been reports of cylinder heads dissolving on the inside from some effed up antifreeze issue in the earlier 1200's especially those with higher mileage. I'd make damn sure the heads and everything were in good shape before going that direction.
Good luck. |
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keener MTS: 2005 1000S DS (Black)
Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 3553 Location: Calgary /Canada
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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:41 pm |
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which one
Different motorcycles sharing the same name ....
My choice the 1100... the 2010 1200 are first year bikes ...nice bikes but still the first year out of the 1200..
O and the price is to high for the 1100 more like $8500 or look stateside they sell for even less there.
my 2 cents
Keener |
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ducducduc MTS: 2009 1100S (White)
Joined: 22 Oct 2012 Posts: 5 Location: montreal,canada
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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:53 pm |
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keener wrote: | | | | which one
Different motorcycles sharing the same name ....
My choice the 1100... the 2010 1200 are first year bikes ...nice bikes but still the first year out of the 1200..
O and the price is to high for the 1100 more like $8500 or look stateside they sell for even less there.
my 2 cents
Keener | | | |
There's a 1100s in Edmonton for $15000, one in Quebec for $12000, two in Ontario for $10500 and $11000 so the price is right for "up here". Look at kijiji or autotrader.ca. Older are much less but 2009s are pricey
I can't bring one in from the US. Ducati refuses to supply the recall document necessary to get it across the border. Older than 2007 they will give me the paper for $500, newer they flat out refuse. I "bought" one from a dealer in NH for $8900 with great mods. It got refused entry even with docs from a US Ducati dealer. Needs the paper Ducati NA will not supply. |
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keener MTS: 2005 1000S DS (Black)
Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 3553 Location: Calgary /Canada
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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 6:42 pm |
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ducducduc wrote: | | | | keener wrote: | | | | which one
Different motorcycles sharing the same name ....
My choice the 1100... the 2010 1200 are first year bikes ...nice bikes but still the first year out of the 1200..
O and the price is to high for the 1100 more like $8500 or look stateside they sell for even less there.
my 2 cents
Keener | | | |
There's a 1100s in Edmonton for $15000, one in Quebec for $12000, two in Ontario for $10500 and $11000 so the price is right for "up here". Look at kijiji or autotrader.ca. Older are much less but 2009s are pricey
I can't bring one in from the US. Ducati refuses to supply the recall document necessary to get it across the border. Older than 2007 they will give me the paper for $500, newer they flat out refuse. I "bought" one from a dealer in NH for $8900 with great mods. It got refused entry even with docs from a US Ducati dealer. Needs the paper Ducati NA will not supply. | | | |
Wow i bet they have them for awhile especially the one in Edmonton..
they sold for 17500 new
I guess if a 2009 is what you want then you pay the price
One member Mercury had a very nice 2006 1000 S well sorted and it sold for $6500 ... good deal for some one
I would advise to shop around if your hearts not set on a 1100..
$4000..Diff could go a long way ...
Just saying......
Keener |
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_________________ Smile and Tremble
74 Z1 900
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atwood MTS: 2004 1000 DS (Gray)
Joined: 07 Jan 2004 Posts: 616
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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:58 pm |
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Is there ethanol in canada? If so, has the tank on the 1100 been treated, or did the owner avoid using ethanol gas? Its usually easy to tell if the tank has expanded, btw.
I view the 1200 as kind of a "GT" version of the multi. It can do back roads just fine, but its more focused on longer touring and higher speeds. Stock seat is more comfy, but its wider at the waist, locks you in place and harder to move around on. Great motor, power everywhere, and better at slow speeds than the 1100, but the gas mileage is not that great (~35 mpg when you're having fun). Great brakes, but the chassis seems more prone to brake dive than the 1100.
The 1100 (or 1000) is a bit better on back roads because you can move around on it and throw it around easier, and the monstrous hp advantage of the 1200 doesn't count as much as plain usable torque does. The 1100 can tour and do highway, too, but its not what it's best at. The stock seat sucks (only decent seats for it are the Russell, Mayer or Corbin). When the 1100 Ohlins suspension is set up right, it just works well everywhere; you won't miss the electro-adjustable stuff on the 1200. The motor has enough power to keep you grinning and encourages you to ride faster than you might on other bikes, but it won't plain flatten your eyeballs like the 1200; then again, you won't feel like you need traction control with the 1100.
Maintenance seems like a wash. I find the 1000 easy to work on, valves are all very accessible, but getting the FI and idle working right can be a pain. The 1200 has intervals over twice as long, but it also has twice as many valves to do, and liquid cooling to maintain (which is usually not that hard), and electronic everything. The aircooled motor seems to find a new and interesting way to leak some oil each year, and the engine paint sucks.
AFAIK, both have possible problems with fuel tank and with the heads (guides on the 1100, coolant erosion on the 1200). |
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adb MTS: 2007 1100S (Black)
Joined: 06 Mar 2012 Posts: 711 Location: Saskatchewan, CANADA
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Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 1:58 am |
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I made my choice... '07 1100S. The desmodue is dead simple to maintain. It has plenty of torque, and I find it a pleasure on long rides (with Sargeant seats). |
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m-johnson MTS: 2008 1100S (Black)
Joined: 18 Dec 2012 Posts: 249 Location: Austin, TX USA
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Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 9:36 am |
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Good choice! I really like my '08.
Mark |
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Mattel MTS: 2008 1100S (Red)
Joined: 31 Jul 2010 Posts: 3500
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Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 11:00 am |
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[quote="m-johnson"]Good choice! I really like my '08.
Mark[/quote]
X2.
Welcome to the Desmo Revolution ! If you can find a Lipo battery, bst rims, iridium plugs, and full termi package you will be close to the feeling of a 1200 without the maintenance !
don't flame me 1200 guys! I am starting a revolution here!
Ride safe and prosper! |
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ducducduc MTS: 2009 1100S (White)
Joined: 22 Oct 2012 Posts: 5 Location: montreal,canada
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Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 2:26 pm |
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Well, That was easy yet unsucessful.
Went to look at the 1100S and the freaking thing has been repainted (no, no, it hasn't....oh, I see what you mean....maybe...yeah) . That makes it worth about five dollars to me. But I loved the bike.
tried a 1200 and it's too close to my old ST1300. A highway star.
I'll keep the eyes open for an 1100S. It is my destiny.
Thanks for the input.
Atwood said it's easy to tell if the tank is swollen. How please? |
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atwood MTS: 2004 1000 DS (Gray)
Joined: 07 Jan 2004 Posts: 616
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Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 7:56 pm |
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Back past the rear corners of the seat, between the frame and gas tank, there is a round rubber brace on which the tank rests on either side of the bike. The brace screws down into the frame. If you look carefully at the tank in that spot, you can see a rounded area where the rubber should meet the tank when its the original size; they should line up concentrically. If the rounded area has migrated back towards the rear of the bike, or even worse there is a hole in the middle that is usually covered but is showing a bit towards the back, the tank has lengthened considerably. |
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mollycbr123 MTS: 2010 1200S (White)
Joined: 14 Oct 2007 Posts: 3725 Location: Fayetteville, NC
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Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 12:01 am |
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ducducduc wrote: | | | | tried a 1200 and it's too close to my old ST1300. A highway star.
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If you consider the Multi 1200 to be comparable to a Honda 1300, I think you have really missed the boat, my friend! I rode an ST1100 for about 10 years, and have put considerable miles on two of my friend's ST1300's, and while the Honda's are surprisingly good handling bikes for their heft, they are nowhere near being in the same league as the 1200s. Completely different bikes. With equal riders the multi will run rings around the STs, with quicker handling, lighter weight, more horsepower/torque, better suspension, etc., etc.
The only thing I can say the two bikes may have in common is a comfortable riding position, so yes, the 1200 can be considered a highway star, but when you take it to the curvy roads, it will hold it's own with just about any sportbike out there, and leave a Honda ST far behind.
Do this: take another ride on a 1200, and this time make sure you are in sport mode. Take it up to about 50 mph in 3rd gear, then crack the throttle open and wind it out to the rev limiter. Make sure you are holding on, because it definitely won't feel like you old 1300. |
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_________________ STeve B in NC
'12 Multistrada S Touring
Yes, I do miss my air cooled multi...
Brand spanking new '16 Thruxton R |
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mojoluthier MTS: 2010 1200S (Red)
Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Posts: 113 Location: USA, Petaluma, CA
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Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 11:10 pm |
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I currently have my new '10 1200 (they are identical to the '12 once the upgrades/recalls are done, I believe) and my 1100s. After two weeks of riding nothing but the 1200 I rode the 1100 to Sonoma raceway today for the Ahrma roadraces and enjoyed the bike tremendously. They are so different one could easily rationalize having both. Unfortunately, they do operate in the same niche and the differences are really just style. I will leave my 1100 FS in the forum's marketplace because of that. The ride from here to the north country would be a great one, especially in another month or so. |
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_________________ Bruce
2010 1200S Touring, '65 Greeves Challenger MX3, 2002 'Gilroy" Indian Scout, '15 GLK 250, '85 pre-lit Westfield (Lotus) 7, Mitchell Garvin MTB, Fischer Sugar 3 MTB, Specialized Diverge "Expert" RoadBike. |
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ducducduc MTS: 2009 1100S (White)
Joined: 22 Oct 2012 Posts: 5 Location: montreal,canada
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Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 5:54 pm |
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mollycbr123 wrote: | | | |
The only thing I can say the two bikes may have in common is a comfortable riding position, so yes, the 1200 can be considered a highway star... | | | |
Actually the comfort, smoothness, available power at any throttle position and "bigger" feel in the saddle (I know it's actually lighter than the 100S) was what didn't light my fire.
I guess I like to work the bike more. Maybe I enjoy the abuse of my 900SS and want more of the same
I truly appreciate all the input and help guys! |
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