dtsv650r, I think we're talking two different models here. I was fortunate enough to own the Multistrada and R1150GS too. However the 100% new R1200GS is a totally different bike.

It's now lost a massive 30 kilo and gained 15 bhp and more torque too. According to a Brit bike mag, which had the ...

Dear Multisimon,

Your first sentence doesn't read very well, but I think you're saying that Ferrari make reliable vehicles; and then some Italian things are better built than English or German.

Well firstly Ferrari do make pretty reliable race engines, but they're not alone in this. They may well ...

Oh nearly forgot the strong view quote!

MCN Kevin Ash - last week:

"Oh come on, this is Italy we're talkign about, the only western country with a history for producing shoddier, less reliable motor vehicles via worse industrial relatios than the British ... Italian banks would back a Nigerian e ...

FireStorm:
re: sssshuddery brakes. Mine had this problem too. I only noticed when I tried to do some rolling stoppies and it started behaving like a concrete mixer on a pogo-stick. I got the mechanic at Bridge in Andover to file off the leading edge of the front pads. This cure dit 100% immediately ...

Ingo:

OTOH? I can string a few lines together, but I'm not clevere nough to work out that acronym! :-D

I 'd guess the bike you rode was in it's highest position or fitted with the optionally higher seat (there's optional extra lower and higher seats available from BMW).

You are right about the ...

Rocker:

p.s. I've ridden an R90S a number of times, used to love that 'smoked' affect over burnt orange kind of colour they did, it's a classic boxer and is actually appreciting in value now - shame you no longer have it!

With regard to the seat height, what I really meant was that although BMW ...

Captain Chaos again! ;-D

I am so glad this posting is continuing at pace and promoting many personal, independant and even mildy strong views - this is what lively banter should be all about! :-D

Desconocido:

Your English is fine my friend, I understand you perfectly. Yes I bought another ...

Desconocido:

I'm sorry that you feel the need to question my intelligence, however please allow me to clarify for you.

I would request of you that you please re-read my words and then I am sure you will realise the correct context for which they were written.

The quotation was not of my own words ...

Rocker:
I think you made the right decision going for the MS over the 1150GS, as I feel it's a better bike in most respects. I'm unsure why you feel you need to live near your dealer. Even though I have closer dealers I travelled 50 miles to my Ducati dealer for purchase and servicing. My rationale ...

El Capitano sticking my ore in again :-D ...

flamedweatherfront:

R1200GS + B-roads + fish & chips = a winning combo; do it. Tell Paul Hill I sent you :-D

I agree with your comments on the GS & MS, with just a couple of slight observations thrown in. I think servicing long-term on the beemer would ...

firestorm: well we could always meet up at Box Hill one Sunday and have a proper argument iif you like! ;-D

I'm in spitting distance of the M25 /London and think the MS and GS are ideal urban assault vehicles to deal with the many variances we have in traffic and what's laughable refered to as ...

You have a good attitude, erm, 'badattitude'! :-D

Like I say we're all adults and bikers. At the end of the day we'll leave bigotting to un-enlightened road users in their tin-boxes, and we all respect the right for anyone to disagree with our own personal views....

...even though we 'know' we're ...

Erwin, your english is fine my friend :-)

I believe what you report. Hopping off the MS to the GS several times (continually without riding) I didn't notice any weight difference but if there was any I'd say fully fuelled the MS has the edge. I think I'd notice the significant 23 kilod iffernce you ...

Ingo:

No sorry my friend you are mistaken. Please refer to BMW's own web site(s). The Multistrada is 198 kilo dry, the GS is 199 kilo 'semi-wet'. i.e. including engine oil, battery acid and brake fluids etc (something Japanese manufacturers omit). Both bikes will weigh around 225 kilo ready-to ...

Just to further add a personal view to two comments:

Don: I've spent time on F650GS's (stock, low & Dakar versions), including spending time riding off road with Dakar entrants Nick Plumb and Simon Pavey in the Brecon Beacons, Wales. It crashes wella nd albeit in a heavy way handles extremely well ...